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转达老大的问候~~

作者 subaru, 2005 十月 11, 下午 11:34:41

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subaru

此帖代TombCrow向大家问候~~~

以下是部分Email原文:

I have applied for the service of internet, and I have received the modem. But it didnt work. I think I have to abolish the service, for the programme cant support my OS(in Chinese language), further more, I dont think the internet service is necessary for me now(and the price for the service, its not \"threepenny\", anyway).

################省略TC交给我的事宜部分:)###########

I am regret to tell you, Im afraid that I will disappear for a long time. I mean, in TR world (not the whole world, lol). You can still contact me by email(not by oicq or by MSN).

Send my greetings to the Chinese Raiders...




kinko

已阅。
~~
PS:咋MSN也不能上啊?

7800GT

看标题吓一跳   以为老大说 : 同志们你们好 你们辛苦了:D

TombCrow

同志们你们好 你们辛苦了!

rainbow


7800GT

引用下面引用由TombCrow2005-10-15 04:42 发表的内容: 同志们你们好 你们辛苦了!




:glare::glare::glare::glare::glare:


TombCrow

引用下面引用由rainbow2005-10-15 10:37 发表的内容: 为人民服务!

:glare::glare::glare::glare::glare::glare::glare:


病态天使


TombCrow


TombCrow

TRLM汉化之旅 

我是一不小心"惹祸上身"的。当时看到Paolo的主页上关于翻译TRLM的说明,说是有个trz文件,下载安装他的翻译程序,加载这个trz文件以后就可以开始翻译了。我写信去问他我找不到trz文件。当时其实我只是随便问问,并没有决定翻译,但是Paolo告诉我他将为中文制作trz文件。但是中文的话可能会出问题,毕竟与西方语言差异太大了。他打算先对中文显示做一些测试。他很快就把测试程序发到了我的信箱。我没办法,只好接了这个任务,开始帮助他测试和进行汉化。

其实翻译的时候很郁闷,需要翻译的词句一个个的显示,我并不知道它们在关卡编辑器程序中出现的具体位置,简直就像是闭着眼睛在翻译。例如光秃秃的冒出一个"New",我根本不知道究竟是什么意思,只好拿出它最原始的意义:新。还有"Item",我理所当然的翻译为"物品",谁知道后来一看是出现在帮助菜单里的,应该是"主题"的意思。有时候留给中文的空间也不够,"完整路径"我只能缩小为三个字:全路径。有点辞不达意。

但是Paolo应该比我更郁闷。在我翻译好了第一部分的trz文件以后,他制作了一个exe文件让我测试。我告诉他全是乱码。他又重新做了一个,打开又是乱码。他只好重新进行测试,接二连三地发测试软件给我(因为每次都是乱码,他只有不断地重做)。他的耐性真是让我五体投地......

后来终于有一个测试软件显示出了完整的中文,而那时我第二部分的翻译已经完成了。我告诉他我将开始第三部分(最后部分)的翻译,但是速度会放慢,因为我有个重要考试。Paolo立刻回信说那就暂时不要翻译了,考试要紧。我晕~~我的考试要9月份,我可等不到那个时候。一个星期后我把第三部分的翻译再发给他,他把最后需要翻译的一些版权信息等发给我(怎么这么烦?),并重新做了一个用于翻译的exe文件(他可真是不厌其烦......)。我翻译好了以后又是一次次的测试。一个严重问题是弹出窗口太小,无法显示完整的中文提示。我跟他提了,并且我发现了我"闭着眼睛"翻译的后果:一些地方的翻译错误让我无法忍受。我重新修正了一部分内容,发给了Paolo。Paolo修正以后的文件仍然没有把那些错误全部改过来,并且有些窗口还是太小。一次次的修正,到后来我都不好意思让他再改了......(那个"item"到现在还是"物品")

这是我第一次和一个程序员交流,双方用的都是外语(英语),我有时候会觉得他的一些用语有点别扭,相信他也有同感......

另外,我终于领教了,程序员的耐性真是太恐怖了......

TombCrow

邮件如下:

前期调试:
引用From :  Paolo B. <dolce_paolo@tiscali.it>
Sent :  Tuesday, July 20, 2004 11:14 AM
To :  "Tomb Crow" <tombcrow@hotmail.com>
Subject :  Re: Tr Level Manager Translation Project

----- Original Message -----
From: Tomb Crow
To: Dolce_Paolo@tiscali.it
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 4:40 PM
Subject: Tr Level Manager Translation Project


Hello Dolce,

Your TRLM is a great program! I'd like to try to translate it into Chinese. But I chouldn't find the trz file after having downloaded the Translator Program (2.21 MB) and installed it. Could you tell me how I can get the file?

Thanks in advance.


I'm happy to your proposal.

I'll prepare chinese .trz file and I send them to you as soon as.

However I suggest, before wroking seriously, to perform some test to verify if it is possible using chinese char set with my application.

About this I'll explain better in next mail.

Thanks for your interesting.

Paolo


引用From :  Paolo B. <dolce_paolo@tiscali.it>
Sent :  Tuesday, July 20, 2004 3:50 PM
To :  "Tomb Crow" <tombcrow@hotmail.com>
Subject :  Re: Tr Level Manager Translation Project
引用----- Original Message -----
From: Tomb Crow
To: dolce_paolo@tiscali.it
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: Tr Level Manager Translation Project

Thank you so much, Paola. Now I can begin my work. I've translated a few strings and I send the zip file to you. I hope it will work all right, your application is so great and I really want to help you to make a Chinese version for it!

My first attemp to load you translation is failed, there is an error loading .brc file.

Have you this error when load newly the transaltion you sent me?

Probably I know the reason and I hope to solve this first trouble, however if also you have this trouble it will be necessary change the translator program to support chinese translation.

Tomorrow I'll know say better about this trouble.


引用From :  Paolo B. <dolce_paolo@tiscali.it>
Sent :  Wednesday, July 21, 2004 7:35 PM
To :  "Tomb Crow" <tombcrow@hotmail.com>
Subject :  Re: Tr Level Manager Translation Project

引用----- Original Message -----
From: Tomb Crow
To: dolce_paolo@tiscali.it
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: Tr Level Manager Translation Project


Hi, paolo,

All the three tests work well. But the words in test 1 is diffrent from the other tests. Test 1 shows the translation of?" Check for equal levels in [add level] phase", test 2 and test 2 show the translation of " Check for equal levels in [add level] phase".

It's wonderful.
Have you checked also text in menu?

About other question, remember to verify if you translated texts remain between a job session and the next session.

It seems that will be possible translate in chinese level manager. It's a good news. :-)

Regards

Paolo


引用From :  Paolo B. <dolce_paolo@tiscali.it>
Sent :  Thursday, July 22, 2004 11:50 AM
To :  "Tomb Crow" <tombcrow@hotmail.com>
Subject :  Re: Tr Level Manager Translation Project
引用----- Original Message -----
From: Tomb Crow
To: dolce_paolo@tiscali.it
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 5:11 AM
Subject: Re: Tr Level Manager Translation Project

Yes, Paolo, it works! Now I can begin my work, isn't it? I will translate the essential texts first. Thank you for your help, and your great program!

Regards,

TombCrow


Thanks to you for your collaboration.

I believe there will be no problems to create a chinese version of level manager.

Good work and newly thanks :-)

Paolo

TombCrow

幽助使用trlm出现问题,帮忙问了一下:
引用From :  Paolo B. <dolce_paolo@tiscali.it>
Sent :  Sunday, July 25, 2004 10:14 AM
To :  "Tomb Crow" <tombcrow@hotmail.com>
Subject :  Re: the archive problem of Tr Level Manager 

----- Original Message -----
From: Tomb Crow
To: dolce_paolo@tiscali.it
Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 4:45 AM
Subject: the archive problem of Tr Level Manager

Hi Paolo,

Sorry to trouble you, but there is a problem I can't solve.

A friend of mine installed TRLM in his computer, but he could not creat archive. During the installation, there are no messages of "First execution: Create or load archive" and "Select main folder for new archive". After the installation, every time he want to add a new level, there is a warnning saying couldn't find Archive. But when choose [File->New Archive], there is aways a "run-time" error. Do you know what might be wrong? He reinstalled TRLM for many times but still the Archive could not be created.
--------------------------------

I presume that also this your friend uses a pc with chinese setting.

I believe there could be troubles running trlm in chinese Cs now because in yours computers the harcaters have been saved using 2 bytes for each character, while on western computers it has been used only a byte for each character.

However if you have used trlm without problems on your chinese PC the situation is strange.

About your friend: say him to download this zip file and start program enclosed in it:

http://www.trlevelmanager.it/download/checktrlm.zip

This program (checktrlm) will parse his computer to verify configuration of tr level manager and tr level editor. At end it create a data file INFO_TRLM.BIN and he shoul send me this file via email.

Then I'll can say what is the problem.

Regards

Paolo


开始翻译:

引用From :  Paolo B. <dolce_paolo@tiscali.it>
Sent :  Tuesday, July 27, 2004 8:10 PM
To :  "Tomb Crow" <tombcrow@hotmail.com>
Subject :  Re: Finished: Tr Level Manager Translation Project

----- Original Message -----
From: Tomb Crow
To: dolce_paolo@tiscali.it
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 10:19 AM
Subject: Finished: Tr Level Manager Translation Project

Hi Paolo,

I've finished the translation of the essential texts?)
---------------

Hi Tomb

I uploaded on my site the exe chinese trlm.
You should verify if chinese characters are showed correctly.
You can download it here: http://www.TrLevelManager.it/download/trlm_chin_exe.zip

Decompress zip in same folder where you installed tr level manager so to overwrite old .exe (pheraps it's better if you save for backup current english trlevelmanager.exe before overwrite it)

Then check and say me if chinese terms are correct.

ciao

Paolo


引用From :  Paolo B. <dolce_paolo@tiscali.it>
Sent :  Wednesday, July 28, 2004 7:49 AM
To :  "Tomb Crow" <tombcrow@hotmail.com>
Subject :  Re: Finished: Tr Level Manager Translation Project

----- Original Message -----
From: Tomb Crow
To: dolce_paolo@tiscali.it
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: Finished: Tr Level Manager Translation Project


Hi,

I've overwritten the exe file, but unfortunately the chinese terms are not燾orrect:(

-----------

Don't worry, it's normal, nothing goes well at first attempt. (murphy law :-)

?/p>

I changed .exe file for second attempt, the url is the same: http://www.trlevelmanager.it/download/trlm_chin_exe.zip

If also this attempt will fail, in future I'll send you directly a more little test program to fast testing operations.

Paolo


引用From :  Paolo B. <dolce_paolo@tiscali.it>
Sent :  Thursday, July 29, 2004 8:40 AM
To :  "Tomb Crow" <tombcrow@hotmail.com>
Subject :  Re: Finished: Tr Level Manager Translation Project
引用----- Original Message -----
From: Tomb Crow
To: dolce_paolo@tiscali.it
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 7:17 AM
Subject: Re: Finished: Tr Level Manager Translation Project

Hi,

None of the three tests works. They only show the symbols like "?"or "|" ... but the first tests you sent to me before my translation showed the correct words, it's strange...

Pheraps I understand the problem, I'll send you another test as soon as.

引用I will translate the last part of trlm, but maybe I will work much slowly, I have an important exam to prepare...

Sure, there is no hurry.

About this speech, remember that it's not strictly necessary translate also trlm3 texts because these texts will be showed very seldom.

With russian translation the translator translated first two block very fast but I've not any notice by him from many months. :-/

In this case it's better distribute trlm with first two blocks and (further) distribute another full translated version when also last block will be translated.

However now you think to you exame, and I'll try to solve problem for char set.

Good luck for you exame.

Paolo


引用From :  Paolo B. <dolce_paolo@tiscali.it>
Sent :  Friday, July 30, 2004 11:46 AM
To :  "Tomb Crow" <tombcrow@hotmail.com>
Subject :  Re: Pheraps this is better
引用----- Original Message -----
From: Tomb Crow
To: dolce_paolo@tiscali.it
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 4:57 AM
Subject: RE: Pheraps this is better


Hi Paolo,

Good news! Both of the two tests you sent me this time work all right!!

PS: My friend has updated his Windows system and the archive problem was sloved:)

And I am translating the chinese_trlm3 now. I think I can finish it in one week.


Beautiful, I'm very happy.
There is no hurry from trlm3 texts, don't fail your exame for this, I reccomend you. ;-)

Paolo


引用From :  Paolo B. <dolce_paolo@tiscali.it>
Sent :  Wednesday, August 4, 2004 2:01 PM
To :  "Tomb Crow" <tombcrow@hotmail.com>
Subject :  Re: Finished! Enfin!
引用----- Original Message -----
From: Tomb Crow
To: dolce_paolo@tiscali.it
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 9:56 AM
Subject: Finished! Enfin!

Hi Paolo,

Now I've finished the translation.


My compliments you are an extraordinary translator. :-)

Now I prepare chinese trlevelmanager.exe for first test.

Paolo


后期程序调试:

引用From :  Paolo B. <dolce_paolo@tiscali.it>
Sent :  Thursday, August 5, 2004 12:58 PM
To :  "Tomb Crow" <tombcrow@hotmail.com>
Subject :  Re: Finished! Enfin!
引用
----- Original Message -----
From: Tomb Crow
To: dolce_paolo@tiscali.it
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 6:52 AM
Subject: Re: Finished! Enfin!

Hi,

I've finished the extra translation, wish it works welll.



You can download chinese trlevelmanager.exe here: http://www.trlevelmanager.it/download/trlm_chin_exe.zip

Decompress it over old trlevelmanager.exe where you had installed it.

Other to check characters yuou should perform also some tests like:
1) Add new level in .tom format
2) Open many window for different command like: preferences level manager and current archive
3) Use command "serch zip file in you pc" and verify that is work correctly and that all texts are in chinese.
When all is ok I'll prepare full chinese setup to put on your web-site. :-)
good luck
Paolo


引用From :  Paolo B. <dolce_paolo@tiscali.it>
Sent :  Friday, August 6, 2004 5:18 PM
To :  "Tomb Crow" <tombcrow@hotmail.com>
Subject :  Re: Finished! Enfin!

Hi tomb,
Ok, I updated http://www.trlevelmanager.it/download/trlm_chin_exe.zip with necessary changes.
Try it and say me what it works.
Best regards
Paolo



引用From :  Paolo B. <dolce_paolo@tiscali.it>
Sent :  Saturday, August 7, 2004 12:13 PM
To :  "Tomb Crow" <tombcrow@hotmail.com>
Subject :  Re: Finished! Enfin!
引用
----- Original Message -----
From: Tomb Crow
To: dolce_paolo@tiscali.it
Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: Finished! Enfin!

Hi Paolo,

It works well, I think you can release the Chinese version of TRLM now :-)


Marvellous. :-)

Now you can download full chinese trlm here: http://www.trlevelmanager.org/download/trlm_chin_1_4.zip

To do better everything you should try to install it on a "virgin" computer, i.e. on a PC where level manager has been never installed.

However it's useful also try to install chinese trlm above old level manager because it's necessary to be sure that it works correctly in both situations.

Say me how it works.

Best regards

Paolo


引用From :  Paolo B. <dolce_paolo@tiscali.it>
Sent :  Saturday, August 7, 2004 8:38 PM
To :  "Tomb Crow" <tombcrow@hotmail.com>
Subject :  Re: Finished! Enfin!
引用
----- Original Message -----
From: Tomb Crow
To: dolce_paolo@tiscali.it
Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: Finished! Enfin!

Hi,

It works, but when I installed TRLM,in the window " First execution: Installation of compress TRLE" ,?"Chinese" is not listed in the field of Choose language]. And when use the menu [Level-Editor->Change graphical and audio settings of Level Editor] , the window is still too small, the last words can't be shown.


I increased the height of window to host all chinese text.

About installation of compress trle, unfortunately that program is not mine, it has been create by core design and chinese language is not provided.

However the language of level editor is only for text like "new game" "load game" or weapon names.

I don't believe that chinese characters will be supported in level editor.

Here you can find the version with more height space in windows

http://www.trlevelmanager.org/download/trlm_chin_1_4.zip

best regards

Paolo



引用From :  Paolo B. <dolce_paolo@tiscali.it>
Sent :  Sunday, August 8, 2004 7:57 AM
To :  "Tomb Crow" <tombcrow@hotmail.com>
Subject :  Re: Finished! Enfin!
引用
----- Original Message -----
From: Tomb Crow
To: dolce_paolo@tiscali.it
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 7:26 AM
Subject: Re: Finished! Enfin!

Hi, Paolo,

I think there is no problem for the Chinese version of TRLM now, you can release it.:-)


Do you want that I keep on my site the chinese trlm?

Usually the translators of level manager upload trlm on their web-site and I put on my web-site only a link to download page in their site.

Say me what you prefer choose.

Best regards

Paolo


引用From :  Paolo B. <dolce_paolo@tiscali.it>
Sent :  Monday, August 9, 2004 10:30 AM
To :  "Tomb Crow" <tombcrow@hotmail.com>
Subject :  Re: Finished! Enfin!
引用
----- Original Message -----
From: Tomb Crow
To: dolce_paolo@tiscali.it
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 5:09 AM
Subject: Re: Finished! Enfin!

Hi Paolo,

I prefer you keep it on your site. It's much safer. Because maybe I will change my hosting server in severl months for upgrading my web site.


-----

Well, then I'll keep on my web-site until you are ready to host on your new server.

I'll already updated my download page with new chinese trlm file. :-)

Best regards

Paolo


关于后期工作:

引用From :  Paolo B. <dolce_paolo@tiscali.it>
Sent :  Wednesday, August 11, 2004 4:26 PM
To :  "Tomb Crow" <tombcrow@hotmail.com>
Subject :  Re: TRLM help file
引用
----- Original Message -----
From: Tomb Crow
To: dolce_paolo@tiscali.it
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 2:57 PM
Subject: TRLM help file

Hi Paolo,

I didn't translate the TRLM help file as it isn't contained in the three trz files, but one of my friend would like to translate it. I tried to translate a few sentences in?quot;help_levelmanager.txt", and I could see the Chinese words in TRLM, there is no problem. Should I let him make a new txt file ( in Chinese )and then overwrite the old one ( in English) and send it to you to put it in the TRLM setup file? Or he should use the translator program?


No, to translate it it's more easy translate directly text file and substitute it. The translator program is useful only for texts inserted in the exe file.

Say to your friend to avoid to translate literally any sentence because the most of topics could be explained in more short way.

He could concentrate his attemption on topics with prefix like "#Number#" because these are link to help buttons of various windows.

He can translate also text in square parenthesis "[]" (main topic) and in parenthesis { } (for single keywords)

Of course he should keep same code number (as #10#) in correct position.

I'll happy to substitute trlevelmanager.txt and prepare new chinese setup when he has completed his job.

And he also toldl me when he press the "help" botton in a window (not in the menu), there as a warning in italian, he sent me a screenshot and send it to you now. I tried the botton too, the warning is in Chinese on my computer. All of us use the OS of Windows XP( Chinese Version).


---------

I understand the reason of that error, when I'll have corrected trlm_chinese on my web-site I'll advise you.

Best regards

Paolo


引用From :  Paolo B. <dolce_paolo@tiscali.it>
Sent :  Wednesday, August 11, 2004 6:53 PM
To :  "Tomb Crow" <tombcrow@hotmail.com>
Subject :  Re: TRLM help file

I've corrected bug on show help.
Now on my web-site there is the updated chinese trlm. http://www.trlevelmanager.org/download/trlm_chin_1_4.zip
I forgot to ask you a thing...
Have you tryed to play demonstrative level with media triggers?
You can find it here: http://www.trlevelmanager.org/download/media_test_level.zip?8 Mb)
Just you download and add it like ohter custom levels (levels->Add new level ect. ect.)
If you play this level I would know if all media trigger will be showed correctly.
Regards
Paolo



引用From :  Paolo B. <dolce_paolo@tiscali.it>
Sent :  Friday, August 13, 2004 1:37 PM
To :  "Tomb Crow" <tombcrow@hotmail.com>
Subject :  Re: TRLM help file
引用
----- Original Message -----
From: Tomb Crow
To: dolce_paolo@tiscali.it
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 6:39 AM
Subject: Re: TRLM help file


Hi,

I've tried media_test_level, but it didn't work.



What's happen?
Are there problems in insert-level phase or when you play it?
Are there any error mexage?



引用From :  Paolo B. <dolce_paolo@tiscali.it>
Sent :  Saturday, August 14, 2004 12:25 PM
To :  "Tomb Crow" <tombcrow@hotmail.com>
Subject :  Re: TRLM help file

Hi Tomb,

I'm sorry to disturbe you too, but would like to solve this problem otherwise chinese trlm will be not able to work with all future media custom levels.
I prepared new trlevelmanager.exe?that you can download here: http://www.TrLevelManager.it/download/trlm_chin_exe.zip
You should decompress it over previous trlevelmanager.exe and try to install newly the media test level.

Many thanks

Paolo
引用
----- Original Message -----
From: Tomb Crow
To: dolce_paolo@tiscali.it
Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 6:35 AM
Subject: Re: TRLM help file

Hi,

When I add this level, there is a warnning saying that It's nessary to download a codec for current movie, but after I pressed [OK] button, TRLM still can't find the codec. After I've installed the level and press the [Play] button, the screen is completly black, nothing happens.



引用
From :  Paolo B. <dolce_paolo@tiscali.it>
Sent :  Thursday, August 19, 2004 1:35 PM
To :  "Tomb Crow" <tombcrow@hotmail.com>
Subject :  Re: TRLM help file
引用
----- Original Message -----
From: Tomb Crow
To: dolce_paolo@tiscali.it
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: TRLM help file

Hi Paolo,

Good news: this time the media_test_level works well.


Beautyfull, then I'll update chinese_trlm as soon as. :-)

Regards


当时往来邮件其实还有一些,因为带有很大的附件,所以我没有保留。
我也没有保留我发出的邮件,不过Paolo习惯在回复中引用我的邮件,所以我那些鸟语才保留下来

TombCrow

啊呀,还有一封啊,这应该是Paolo给我的最后一封邮件了:

From :  Paolo B. <dolce_paolo@tiscali.it>
Sent :  Sunday, October 3, 2004 3:43 PM
To :  "Tomb Crow" <tombcrow@hotmail.com>
Subject :  Re: TRLM help file
引用
----- Original Message -----
From: Tomb Crow
To: dolce_paolo@tiscali.it
Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 4:33 PM
Subject: Re: TRLM help file

Hi,

My friend, yew and I has finished the translation of most part of the trlm help file, another friend, Rainbow, will try to finish the translation finally. I will go to France tomorrow and I don't know if I can use the internet service immediately after arriving there. So Rainbow will send the file to you, after he finish his part.


Ok, no problems.

Instead I had problem with my site www.trlevelmanager.org and now I'm trying to get another server for my files.

Chinese trlm was on old trlevelmanager.org however I can update chinese trlm and put it temporanely on www.trlevelmanager.it site.

引用BTW, for the download link of the Chinese Version of TRLM, you can link to this page of my site:
http://trcn.512j.com/cn/blog.php?job=showcat&cat=9


I hoped this solution. :-)

Anyway, are you sure that this link is correct? When I try to click it I get an error 404 page not found.

Best regards

Paolo

我给Paolo回了一封(未保留),那应该是最后一封给他的邮件了。

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